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Please help us further our mission here by tapping that follow or subscribe button. 00:00:50:21 - 00:01:02:06 Speaker 1 Push that notification bell so that you know when our new episodes drop every week. And now let's get to today's interview. 00:01:02:09 - 00:01:27:09 Speaker 1 Hey, everybody. Welcome to today's episode of the Your Project Shepherd podcast. I'm your host, Curtis Lawson, and today my guest is Ryan Goodwin from Stay Go Industries. Now, I first met, Ryan and the stereo team, I guess earlier this year at IBS, they hosted a big dinner, at IBS, they invited, Matt Risinger, and he invited me and a few other people. 00:01:27:11 - 00:01:48:06 Speaker 1 And so I got to go out and hang out with the stereo team and learn more about what they do. And one particular thing that caught my attention there, in those discussions at dinner, was a relatively new product that they have, called Pango Ram. And it interested me because it's an all in one vapor barrier and termite barrier. 00:01:48:08 - 00:02:12:28 Speaker 1 And I told them that day, I said, hey, get with me, because we want to try to use this on an upcoming, project. So, I reached out to go and they graciously sent Ryan down, to Houston from Idaho. So, this week, and yesterday, we did a great training with my crafted team. And we are currently installing the panga wrap on a Bel Air custom home project here that we're working on. 00:02:12:28 - 00:02:14:25 Speaker 1 So, Ryan, welcome to the podcast. 00:02:14:27 - 00:02:16:24 Speaker 2 Yeah, thanks for having me, Curtis. Appreciate you. 00:02:16:27 - 00:02:42:10 Speaker 1 Sorry about that long winded, intro there. Could let you hop in, but, so we're going to mainly talk about Pango wrap today. But you guys make several different, types of vapor barrier products and things like that. Crawl space encapsulation and concrete finishing. So why don't you give us a quick, maybe history of stereo and then tell us about all the different stuff that you do before we get into Pango specifically? 00:02:42:14 - 00:03:05:26 Speaker 2 Sure, sure. This is Sticos 25th anniversary, so we've been making a pretty good campaign to celebrate that this year. Our company was founded by a father son team, 25 years ago, right out of their house and garage, marketing a below slab vapor barrier. That was a true vapor barrier, which is, markedly different than, six mil poly or eight mil black plastic. 00:03:05:26 - 00:03:29:10 Speaker 2 Ten mil what? Clear. Whatever color you got. A high performance vapor barrier. And, the timing of that was really, perfect because it coincided with the EPA's restriction of the use of solvent based adhesives in floor coverings. The VOCs came, coming off of those, solvent based adhesives were, you know, deemed harmful for indoor air quality and people and so on. 00:03:29:12 - 00:03:47:26 Speaker 2 And our vapor barrier was sufficient enough to block moisture that was getting through the old poly. So we kind of hit it right on, sweet spot of coming out as a company with with a product that was solving a new problem that was that was entering since then, you know, we've developed a number of product lines. 00:03:47:28 - 00:04:11:11 Speaker 2 We have, products, all the way from residential focused products. They go home, we have crawl space focused products, better, you know, white instead of our standard yellow potato wrap. It makes a really nice, esthetically pleasing crawl space, different role sizes optimized for crawl space and so on. All the all the way up to real robust, gas barriers. 00:04:11:11 - 00:04:29:01 Speaker 2 So we're dealing with moisture all the way up to methane, at this stage in the game. And as you mentioned, the product I manage is called Pango Wrap. And it is a true vapor barrier, and it is a physical termite barrier. So we're not incorporating any pesticides, impregnating them into the film in any way shape or form. 00:04:29:08 - 00:04:32:09 Speaker 2 This is strictly a physical barrier for termites. 00:04:32:11 - 00:04:43:20 Speaker 1 Awesome. So this pango also, you know, you mentioned methane and, I assume like radon, it does. This Pango also, provide a radon and methane barrier as well. 00:04:43:25 - 00:05:09:29 Speaker 2 Methane. No, we're not rated for, you know, the, the LA rating for, for methane barriers at this product. Okay. It does have a radon diffusion coefficient. Okay. So an interesting thing in the barrier world for radon. There's there's no classification. There's no metric to hit. To say okay, now this is a good radon barrier. All we can do is provide the rate of transmission that radon will pass through a piece of plastic. 00:05:10:01 - 00:05:37:16 Speaker 2 Okay? And in our experience, it is, pango. Pango is very sufficient for that. It exceeds a lot of standard high performance vapor barriers as far as radon transmission goes. And it's a great product to consider and use of part of a passive radon mitigation system. So if you're capping, capping the Earth there with your barrier and allowing some other way for it to vent out, Pango is a great product, as is most of our stereo lineup. 00:05:37:19 - 00:05:53:29 Speaker 1 Yeah. That's something that we here in our market don't have to deal with. So I've, I've actually never had to do any kind of, radon anything here. So. Yeah, it's, I'm really interested to know kind of what's happening in other parts of the country as far as that goes. And, and kind of what all the requirements are for other people. 00:05:53:29 - 00:06:13:28 Speaker 2 My home in Boise, Idaho is, has a crawlspace and it's got some old rotting out, six mil black plastic. And, and it's in a hotbed of radon zone. And, and, Mike, I really need to get a radon test kit and, see where I'm at, and, utilize some of the products that Stegall has available. 00:06:13:29 - 00:06:18:20 Speaker 1 I was going to say you can just, you have access to all that stuff. You just have to spend a few hours in your crawlspace, a. 00:06:18:22 - 00:06:21:03 Speaker 2 Couple hours in the crawlspace? Yeah. For sure. 00:06:21:10 - 00:06:38:27 Speaker 1 So, on on the pingo. You know, I, I was telling you this yesterday, I think a lot of builders here in our in our market especially don't really think too much about the termite protection. It's not something that our cities check. They don't they don't say, you know, is there, and there's no inspection. 00:06:38:27 - 00:07:08:27 Speaker 1 They don't say, show us the paperwork. So it's just kind of left up to the builder to make sure that they do it. Even, like architects doing their CA work and engineers doing inspections, like, they never asked for that stuff either. So it's kind of out of sight, out of mind. I like taking the A product that we're already going to use anyway, because all of our slabs are going to have a vapor barrier under the slab before the concrete support, or in the case of a house that we're doing right now with a crawl space, we're doing some kind of vapor barrier in the crawl space. 00:07:08:27 - 00:07:25:03 Speaker 1 So we're taking something that we have to do anyway, and we're adding that that benefit of having the termite protection as well. And it's also just a it's a much more robust product to its, what is it, 15 mil. 00:07:25:03 - 00:07:25:29 Speaker 2 15 mils. Yep. 00:07:26:04 - 00:07:46:15 Speaker 1 Yeah. So like most of the foundation work here in our market is turnkey. So the the concrete the foundation company, they're they usually provide the poly and they're probably going to use something on the cheaper end of the spectrum. Because it's the builder doesn't care. The homeowner generally doesn't care. So they're just going to use the cheap six mil stuff. 00:07:46:20 - 00:08:01:13 Speaker 1 I have inspected a lot of slabs before. They're poor. There's holes all over the place and little tiny pieces of tape kind of covering holes, right? Yep. So with the with the, stick up products and the panko panko product, it's definitely very, robust. 00:08:01:14 - 00:08:23:05 Speaker 2 To absolutely that puncture resistance and tensile strength of of our even even our ten mil products is, you know, there's three classifications for strength when it comes to vapor barriers. Azmi 1745. It is five is our guiding standard A, B and C even class C products are extremely robust. Pango rap is a class C material, for puncture resistance. 00:08:23:05 - 00:08:40:01 Speaker 2 And you were on that jobsite walking on gravel, and there was, you know, ramps at shell casings that people are walking on. And I walked around and looked and yeah, there were dimples for sure, but it had not punctured. If there is a puncture. Yeah, we can we can go around and, you know, patch that up. No problem. 00:08:40:01 - 00:08:41:12 Speaker 2 But I didn't see any. Yeah. 00:08:41:12 - 00:09:00:08 Speaker 1 Yeah I was impressed. We had, I don't know like six guys walking around yesterday on that stuff for a few hours. Like you said, walking around after it was late with a ramp gun and dropping shells and nails and all kinds of stuff. And walking in, it's sitting on a bed of gravel that we put down last week, and I didn't see any holes either. 00:09:00:08 - 00:09:08:26 Speaker 1 So, also, those rolls are really heavy too, so, definitely have to have a couple, a couple strong people in there managing that stuff and unrolling it. 00:09:08:28 - 00:09:25:24 Speaker 2 Yeah. Those are, those are 140 pounds. Some of our other residential focus lines, stay go home, stay, go crawl. We do we do make a much smaller roll to get around, work around crawl spaces and make it easier for a smaller footprint and a smaller crew to get done. But, right now that's what we have with panko. 00:09:25:25 - 00:09:54:04 Speaker 1 So, you know, this this podcast, although we have a lot of, you know, builders, industry types that, that listen, I think we're kind of focused to homeowners, helping them make the right decisions. So I always like to start off by talking about what are the benefits, the product benefits for a homeowner. And, you know, we mentioned kind of the durability, not worrying about tiers as much, you know, some rate on benefits as well. 00:09:54:06 - 00:09:59:05 Speaker 1 Termite benefits, obviously, but what are some other things that are a benefit to the consumer? 00:09:59:09 - 00:10:34:14 Speaker 2 I think the big benefit to the consumer or the homeowner is the fact that we are reducing or eliminating the application of pesticides in, directly underneath the place where they live and breathe, indoor air quality is a pretty big deal these days. People are starting to pay more attention to it. And standard practice here in Houston with weather, whether it's commonplace for for track home builders or whatever else is the, pesticide pretreatment, pest control guys will, go out and they'll soak the soil to a depth of whatever the specs call for ten 12in. 00:10:34:14 - 00:10:57:09 Speaker 2 They want that that poison to soak down into the soil, and then they'll go ahead and complete their construction. So your home is sitting on 12in of soil that is saturated with a pretty nasty chemical. Yeah, that's not something I would be interested in and living over. So eliminating that, I think is probably the the the most important thing, that we bring to the table for the consumer. 00:10:57:14 - 00:11:11:29 Speaker 1 I think also that not having to, to retreat because I don't know what the lifespan on those chemicals are they, they do that treatment with. But all of that stuff eventually has to be retreated or made on an annual basis or something like that. 00:11:11:29 - 00:11:37:16 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. So if you have a slab on grade and you pre-treat that soil, you're going to get six months to five years. Some, some warranties may go may go longer, but it is going to degrade. And if that if you have black, six mil poly underneath your slab and that plastic starts to degrade and those and those chemicals come into contact with the high alkalinity and the concrete, you're going to get rapid degradation of the efficacy of those pesticides. 00:11:37:19 - 00:12:04:19 Speaker 2 So, using Pango wrap, to, one eliminate those and, you know, prevent any sort of degradation of chemicals that you're going to have to reapply is is a big deal when when you do have degradation of, pesticides underneath your slab and you do get termites coming through your plumbing penetrations or whatever conduit they can find to get in your home, that the remedy is to call out that concrete slab. 00:12:04:19 - 00:12:22:04 Speaker 2 You're going to drill that concrete slab, you're going to inject chemicals back under your have to treat that localized area. We can use some of our, Pango bond products. And I know your crew had so much fun dealing with that two part epoxy, but we can go in on that and seal those areas from the topside without resorting to chemicals. 00:12:22:07 - 00:12:45:19 Speaker 2 One thing I will mention, with, with the physical barrier, you are only going to protect the area that the physical barrier covered. There's no deterrent. We're not killing termites. There's no mortality. So, you know, underneath the underneath the structure. Yeah, we got we got you covered. If you want to wrap it up the exterior side, we'll we'll block a termite from going through that product all the way up until when the the vapor barrier stops. 00:12:45:19 - 00:13:05:26 Speaker 2 Right. So perimeter treatment is still something to consider for a homeowner in heavy termite areas. So yeah, but you know, I would recommend a bait station as opposed to trenching and soaking the exterior of your property. With pesticide. You can you can run bait stations out there. And it's a lot, lot more environmentally friendly, kid safe, dog friendly. 00:13:05:28 - 00:13:06:06 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:13:06:13 - 00:13:17:22 Speaker 1 What's the typical lifespan if if you know on on six mil poly under a slab, do you have any of that like how long that normally lasts versus the versus, you know the the panko. 00:13:17:25 - 00:13:39:18 Speaker 2 It's very difficult to give you a straight answer on that. Just because, poly is made from recycled plastics. One run they make, they may be made out of milk jugs. The next round, it might be made out of plastic trash bags, three ground recycled reuse plastic, which is which is great. There's a lot of great applications for poly, but when you're blocking moisture, termites, radon. 00:13:39:21 - 00:13:58:27 Speaker 2 Or want a long term piece of plastic underneath your slab, it's a bad idea. So, you know, a story we always like to tell, with Stegall and we have pictures, our original home office, had a dentist office going in right next door to us, and they cut out a portion of that slab to install some fancy dental chair. 00:13:59:00 - 00:14:13:14 Speaker 2 And we went over to take a look. We brushed away some of the sand, and there is a about a ten square foot area. There was a about a cornflake sized chunk of the original six mil poly that was that was left. And that was five years. That was five years after that slab had been placed. So it can vary wildly. 00:14:13:16 - 00:14:22:20 Speaker 2 If you're in West Texas and in perfect conditions with super dry climate, that and you got a good poly to start with, you know, shoot, it might last a very long. 00:14:22:20 - 00:14:42:22 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. We do a ton of remodeling. And so you know, we've we've cut out slabs during new plumbing and different things. So I've seen a lot of examples from, you know, 1940s houses up to 1980s or 90s houses where we're, we're taking out slab. And I would say that in most of them, once you get down to that poly, it just crumbles like you can. 00:14:42:22 - 00:14:51:18 Speaker 1 You touch it and, you know, you've seen plastic that stays out in the sun for for a long time. Same thing. The plastic just crumbles in your fingers. Yeah. So yeah. 00:14:51:19 - 00:14:52:03 Speaker 2 Very common. 00:14:52:09 - 00:14:57:01 Speaker 1 I think the last thing for those who, or somewhat patriotic, you guys are all made in the USA too, right? 00:14:57:01 - 00:14:58:21 Speaker 2 Correct. Yep. Very proud of that. 00:14:58:21 - 00:15:03:16 Speaker 1 So you buy some of the the cheap poly it might be coming from God knows where. 00:15:03:18 - 00:15:04:09 Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah. 00:15:04:09 - 00:15:25:19 Speaker 1 So changing to benefits to builders, you know so speaking as a, as a builder, to me one of the big things I already mentioned is, you know, you're doing something with the same crew that would probably already be doing this to begin with. Right. So you're installing one product versus two steps. It's one. One less thing to forget about, one less thing to manage. 00:15:25:19 - 00:15:29:13 Speaker 1 So you're consolidating that labor which is a a big deal for me. 00:15:29:15 - 00:15:49:19 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. And you know, one thing that we hadn't, we hadn't talked about is if you do have a pest control guide that scheduled out to be on your job site to pre-treat the soil, there's a 24 hour period where nobody's supposed to be on that jobsite, right? Whether that gets followed or not is up to up to the contractor. 00:15:49:21 - 00:16:22:01 Speaker 2 But, you know, if you're following the rules, the label on those pesticides, they don't want people on those on those areas for 24 hours. If it rains within that 24 hour period, it requires a reapplication of pesticide, right? Again, whether that actually happens is is to be determined. Right. So so, you know, just from an environmental standpoint, you could end up with multiple applications of pesticides or, or an application of pesticide that, is negated by the by a rain event. 00:16:22:03 - 00:16:30:26 Speaker 2 And now we just put a bunch of poison into our, water, in our soil, in our waterways, and for. No, for no, for no benefit to our to the consumer. Yeah. 00:16:30:27 - 00:16:47:09 Speaker 1 Yeah. I would venture to say that, you know, there's some country conscientious builders who would go back and reapply. But I think by and large, most people are probably not going to stay off for a day. They're probably not going to retreat after the first time. This is just what I've seen. 00:16:47:11 - 00:16:54:01 Speaker 2 You know, just just like in just like any there's there's people that follow the letter of the law and there's people that don't, you know, same, same with pest control folks. 00:16:54:02 - 00:17:05:14 Speaker 1 So yeah, once that box is checked, it's like it's done also for builders, if they go in for their national Green building certification, on a project I think you said it earns, what, like four point? 00:17:05:14 - 00:17:08:14 Speaker 2 We get four points for NBS certification. Yes. 00:17:08:17 - 00:17:18:22 Speaker 1 Oh, so. So if you're a builder and you're looking to do that on your own, on your projects, that's that's an easy and easy for points to earn. And again, it's something that you're probably already doing anyway with another product. 00:17:18:24 - 00:17:51:20 Speaker 2 Sure. And for you know, if anyone's going for the Leed certification as well, we can we can certainly contribute to that. Just about, you know, there's a dozen, green building certifications out there, living, building challenge, etc., etc., etc. and all of them call out for, benefits, points for, the elimination of the use of pesticides, integrate it using an integrated pest management strategy, which is eliminating pesticides, manipulating the environment, moving, mulching and landscaping away from the structure, all these types of things. 00:17:51:20 - 00:17:57:07 Speaker 2 And a physical barrier falls right into line with with all of those programs and their rating systems. 00:17:57:09 - 00:18:18:26 Speaker 1 Yeah. And then the last thing I had of my notes that I think is a great benefit is it's actually really simple to install. So yesterday, I had three of my project managers and one of our other workers that was there. Normally we would have a subcontractor install this, but since, Ryan was here, I said, hey, guys, let's all get together and do this together as a team for the first time. 00:18:18:28 - 00:18:33:00 Speaker 1 You know, I think we probably would have done it in one day, had we not kind of killed the first couple of hours, you know, doing trainings and just kind of getting set up with cameras and all that kind of stuff. And then we were missing one component which showed up this morning, which was our fault. 00:18:33:03 - 00:18:42:04 Speaker 1 I think that would have been a one day install had we kind of had everything ready to go. But we actually had a probably a more complicated install than, than most, right? 00:18:42:04 - 00:18:59:21 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. The interior columns that you had to deal with, you know, make for rolling out the vapor barrier, just a little more challenging. If the tape was was on site, we could have gotten around there and really rolled it out state by state by stage. But, we kind of had to just get it all out and, you know, rough it in. 00:18:59:21 - 00:19:04:17 Speaker 2 It's essentially what we did. And we're going to go back today and get it all tidied up and looking sharp. 00:19:04:17 - 00:19:25:01 Speaker 1 So yeah, maybe Danilo could pop in some, some action videos from yesterday. So people who are watching this on YouTube can, can see what we're talking about there. But yeah. So we, the house that we're doing just for kind of go a little deeper. The garage was a slab on grade, so we actually use the panko product under the slab on that. 00:19:25:07 - 00:19:46:09 Speaker 1 We had some photos of that. But on the, on the main house, because it's in the floodplain, the house is built up, the finished floor with five, five feet off the, off the ground. And so we have a four foot high perimeter CMU stem wall. And then in the middle, we've got all these little columns popping up, these CMU columns, plus all of our plumbing penetrations coming out from from the ground, too. 00:19:46:11 - 00:20:01:27 Speaker 1 So we had a lot of little things to work around, and seal around as well. But it was not difficult. It was our very first time doing it. And I think that, you know, the next time we do it, we will have maybe kind of a better, a better program in our head of how we're going to tackle it, you know. 00:20:01:28 - 00:20:27:10 Speaker 2 Sure. And, and anyone that's installed a high performance vapor barrier, to the ACM 1643 standard. I know that's not not the norm in residential construction, but commercial construction, that that kind of is the the general guideline that people follow. And it's no different. We're overlapping our seams. We're taping them with tape. We're addressing pipe penetrations and sealing to the perimeter edge, whether, you know, wherever that may be. 00:20:27:12 - 00:20:36:20 Speaker 2 So it's it's not wildly different for people that have have been, have had experience installing the, you know, stereo wrap or any of any of the other vapor barriers out there. 00:20:36:27 - 00:21:12:04 Speaker 1 Yeah. So the last benefit, I think, for, for builders is kind of one of the same things we mentioned for the consumer as well as just longevity, because, you know, we have a lot of people that are walking across our, our, our workspace before it gets covered up. So before that, if it's a slab on grade where we're using this, or, you know, going into our grade beams and, like on our garage and in this example, there were a lot of people walking across that before we ever poured the concrete, you know, because if you put that down and then you do all your rebar, and so all these workers are 00:21:12:04 - 00:21:36:18 Speaker 1 walking across it for, for several days. And even our foundation sub who's working on that job, commented, he's like, man, there's like no no holes to patch on this one. Whereas normally, you know, they'd be walking around for an hour with a roll of tape, covering up little pinholes everywhere, all over their, their makeup. But on this one, he's like, man, that was like, I had like one patch on the whole slab that I had to do. 00:21:36:22 - 00:21:52:08 Speaker 2 That's great. Yeah. Pink panko comes with a life of the building warranty on the physical properties of our film, and the only way you can get there is to start with a robust product. But the advantage there is, it's not going to degrade over time, as we discussed earlier. But yeah, it's going to hold up for most, most construction traffic. 00:21:52:13 - 00:22:12:02 Speaker 2 We're driving 18,000 pound laser screed machines on top of our 15 mil products, you know, all over 3/8 inch cut stone. So wow, we can come up with some pretty nasty scenarios. And yeah, you get you get you get machines like that. If if they want to turn sharp and they're and they're on the wrong rock, it's it's to it'll, it'll it'll need some repair. 00:22:12:05 - 00:22:19:04 Speaker 2 Sure. But for, for most certainly for most residential applications. I'm not worried a bit about about damage. 00:22:19:07 - 00:22:38:01 Speaker 1 Yeah. So, so to kind of close out, I just wanted to talk briefly about kind of like the installation method. So you all have several components of the, of the Pango system. We've got the actual the rolls of the wrap. Right. And we've got, the termination bars and the bar and the, the, the two part epoxy. 00:22:38:01 - 00:22:44:17 Speaker 1 So talk about just kind of like. Like what? All the pieces of the system are that people would be purchasing. 00:22:44:19 - 00:23:03:16 Speaker 2 Yeah. So that, you know, at the base you have the Pango wrap, as you mentioned, and the Pango tape, which which showed up this morning that that's our seaming tape. That's a it's a pretty versatile product. So you're going to overlap your seams, use that tape to, join them together. It can also be used, around pipe penetrations. 00:23:03:16 - 00:23:23:05 Speaker 2 We can cut out a little pipe collar out of some excess panko wrap, slide it down, and we'll tape around that penetration with our Pango tape pretty quick and easy. Another way to do that on the pipe penetration side is to use that two part epoxy Pango bond. And again we'll kind of patch around there and we'll use our Pango claw tape. 00:23:23:07 - 00:23:56:18 Speaker 2 That's a hard one to explain. On a, on a podcast without a visual, but, we'll use our Pango claw around there to provide an anchor for the Pango band to grab onto and insert, you know, circumnavigating that pipe. We'll seal up that potential entry point for termites that wear that Pango bond. The reason that Pango bond was developed, was to provide a, terminating seal, especially in a crawl space application where we don't have wet concrete to grab onto the terminating edges of the wrap. 00:23:56:21 - 00:24:07:07 Speaker 2 So we use that Pango bond to adhere to the concrete, put a wrap wherever it needs to be. And we're, mechanically fastening that with our term bar and the and the ramps set. 00:24:07:10 - 00:24:24:11 Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. So, I mean, all in all, there wasn't that much, that we needed for the install. I think we had a mixing bucket and, some, some rubber gloves because that, that two part, Pango bond is pretty, pretty goopy sticky stuff. So you want a good pair of rubber gloves or a box of rubber gloves? 00:24:24:11 - 00:24:27:09 Speaker 2 Actually, change your clothes before you get in your track to. 00:24:27:11 - 00:24:38:22 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, there weren't that many tools that we needed. We had a trowel and a, a mixing spade for our, for our drill. And that was about it. 00:24:38:25 - 00:24:53:13 Speaker 2 Yeah. A paddle bit for your for your drill is, the critical component to getting those epoxy mixed together. That's some thick stuff, as you saw. And, you know, you're scooping out the bucket. If you're trying to stir it up with the stick or paint, you're not going to get anywhere. You need some. Yeah. 00:24:53:13 - 00:24:54:13 Speaker 1 You better just. 00:24:54:14 - 00:24:57:20 Speaker 2 Try to be. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. So. 00:24:57:22 - 00:25:08:10 Speaker 1 All right, well, that's about all I had, for today. I appreciate you coming out to to work with us on that project. And definitely appreciate you coming on the podcast to talk to me about it, too. 00:25:08:14 - 00:25:19:26 Speaker 2 Well, thank you for the invitation. Thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this, this project you're working on right now. That's real exciting for us. And, and, look to, work with you in the future, if at all possible. Yeah. 00:25:19:26 - 00:25:44:22 Speaker 1 And my goal is to get as many builders here in the Houston area to, to be aware of your products and to start using it because, you know, it's something, again, where we kind of default to the lowest common denominator of the cheap poly. And I think especially in this market with these types of crawl spaces, and the, and the custom home side, especially like, you know, custom builders in the kind of market that we're in, we need to be using this product, right? 00:25:44:22 - 00:25:52:08 Speaker 1 We don't need to be going the cheap route. And so my goal is to kind of help you guys spread the word on this and hopefully get you down here more often to work with some more builders. 00:25:52:12 - 00:25:53:25 Speaker 2 I appreciate you a lot. Thank you Curtis. 00:25:54:00 - 00:26:00:13 Speaker 1 Yep. So if you want to check out stereo website is Stereo Industries dot coms. You got. 00:26:00:13 - 00:26:00:29 Speaker 2 It. Yep. 00:26:01:02 - 00:26:17:06 Speaker 1 So be sure and check them out. And, if you have any questions about it, please reach out to me in the podcast. I'll connect you with Ryan if you want to talk about, Pango or any of the stereo products. So, appreciate all you guys joining us again for this episode of the Your Project Sheva podcast. 00:26:17:06 - 00:26:23:16 Speaker 1 And we'll see you next time. 00:26:23:18 - 00:26:47:22 Speaker 1 If you found this helpful, enjoy listening. Please support us by liking and subscribing here on your podcast platform, and also join us on our YouTube channel. We want to continue to bring you high quality content and expert guests, and your support truly helps us to continue this journey. If you have any questions for me or my guests or any feedback for us, you can email us at podcast at your project shepherd.com. 00:26:47:24 - 00:26:48:15 Speaker 1 Thanks again.